KAMLOOPS STANDARD NEWSPAPER.
In the Vancouver Daily News Advertiser of 16 May 1906, it
reports that "a copy of the Kamloops "Standard" with the
address label of an Aspen Grove subscriber would give the idea that the
bandits worked in from the south." The subscriber in Aspen Grove was
most likely Alonzo Roberts, or less likely it could have been William Dodds who
owned the store there.
In direct competition with the Inland Sentinel, and of opposing political
stripes, the Standard made a good cross reference with the Sentinel to the
events of May and June 1906.
Freeman Harding was the editor of the paper in 1906.
Frederick E. Young bought the weekly Kamloops Standard newspaper in 1901. He
married Chief Constable E.T.W. Pearse's daughter Edith.
He was killed cleaning his rifle in 1914 and the paper was then bought by
Robinson and Harding.
In 1906 Warden KELLY13,378,379,380
was a prison warden in San Quentin Penitentiary in San Francisco, CA, USA. He
was in Kamloops during the trial and identified Edwards as Bill Miner.
On the 30th of May 1906 at the trial of the Ducks
robbers, Edwards swore in an affidavit to the Court that Warden Kelly
had incorrectly identified him as Bill Miner, an "alleged well known
criminal on the American side of the line." This chance meeting,
allegedly arranged by Sup't Hussey of the B.C. Provincial Police, resulted in
details of it being reported in the Vancouver Daily Province. While Miner was
arriving at the Courthouse, shackled to a fellow prisoner, Warden Kelly,
described by Edwards as "a large man with a grey moustache, accompanied
by Hussey and in front of a crowd of on-lookers and the empanelled jury,
stepped forward and said in a loud tone of voice "Hello, Bill, old pal,
how are you."
As there was no proof available at the time that Edwards was Miner, defense
lawyer Alec Mcintyre took the opportunity to protest this infringement on his
Clark, Cecil. "Thousands in Loot", Daily Colonist weekend
magazine "The Islander", Victoria B.C., 11 Nov 1962: 6
Clark states in his article that Kelly was holidaying in B.C. at the time
of the Ducks robbery trial.
On July 7th, and on July 25th, 1906, B.C. Pen Warden Whyte received
letters from the San Quentin State Prison in California. The first requested
copies of the photos of the robbers, and the second extended thanks for the
receipt of same. The signature of the sender is obscure, but looks like a F.
H. De Pine, and he is noted as the "Director of the Criminal Bureau of
Identification". On the letterhead is also noted the Warden of the
penitentiary's name, but it is quite obscure. It looks like "J. W. Akins
Warden". This is interesting, as it is not the same warden's name
(Kelly) who possibly visited Kamloops during the trial and identified George
Edwards as Miner. In the letter of the 25th, the writer notes that Miner's
photo shows that he has aged considerably since the writer last saw him, but
is still readily identifiable as "Billy Miner". (A. Martin
Coll., Geo. Edwards Corr. file.)
Divisional Superintendent Thomas D
KILPATRICK43,75,142,381,382 In 1906 he was a railway official in Revelstoke,
B.C. with the C.P.R.1 He died in 1939. He directed the interests of the C.P.R.
and actually took part in the pursuit of the robbers south of Kamloops. He spent considerable time and energy in Kamloops chasing the robbers of the C.P.R.
train at Ducks.
In the Vancouver Daily Province of 9 May 1908, Marpole notes in
an interview that Sup't Kilpatrick was in Kamloops that day to assist in the
capture in any way the C.P.R. can assist.
In the Vancouver Daily News Advertiser of 16 May 1906, it notes
that Sup't Marpole, in the company of Sup't Kilpatrick of Revelstoke, had
gone out to meet the prisoners on their way in to Kamloops, and accompanied
them to the Kamloops Gaol. Both C.P.R. officials appear in a buggy in the
famous Mary Spencer photo of the party coming in to Kamloops. Kilpatrick sits
in the back, while Marpole's socialite friend Gardiner-Johnson sits beside
Add. Mss. #0416
Mrs. Thomas Kilpatrick Fonds, B.C. Archives
On C.P.R. letterhead.
(15?) May (1906?)
We landed three men in jail here today which I believe are the right ones, so
now we can have a breathing space. I have not had much sleep since I left
home, but the rush is over now. Mr. Marpole goes home tonight and wants me to
stop until after the preliminary trial which is likely to take place tomorrow
or the day after or as soon as the detectives can get a good strong case
worked up. The suspects resisted arrest and one of them got into the brush
and opened fire on the Mounted Police, and after the exchange of 15 or 16
shots the supposed robber got shot through the leg and fell. He was not
seriously wounded. The ball passed through the fleshy part of the leg below
the knee. Another tried to fill his (unintelligible … hand with a ?)
gun but was covered by policemen before he had time to get it out.
Love to you and the babies,
Tell Alice we have had an exciting time and that I have had my first manhunt
with a gun.
From your loving Tom.
(This letter looks like a photocopy and is the sole item in the file
In his report to Sup't Hussey of the B.C. Provincial Police in June
of 1906, Const. Pearse notes that Kilpatrick worked hard on the first day
after the Ducks robbery hunting tracks along the railway line, and spent an
additional two days with Pearse on the Campbell range.
Kilpatrick, Thomas, Revelstoke, Bridge foreman, KWRe (1898 VL)
The Revelstoke Museum and Archives advises that he was President of the Queen
Victoria Hospital Board in 1902. RM&A states his middle initial as
"D", while B.C. Archives states "O".
Okanagan Historical Society Journal,V48, Cawston
Kilpatrick wrote his wife a letter 25 May 1906 from Kamloops describing
the capture of the Ducks robbers. Both Revelstoke and Victoria must be
searched to see whether this information still exists. Subsequent searching
found it, and the original document has also been found in the hands of a
Provenance: Kilpatrick, Thomas O., d. 1939
Title: Thomas O. Kilpatrick fonds : 1893-1965
Dates: [Photocopied 1973]
Physical desc.: 3 cm of textual records
Bio/Admin History: Thomas O. Kilpatrick was a Superintendent of the Canadian
Pacific Railway and a General Manager of the Pacific Great Eastern Railway in
Scope/Content: The fonds consists of appointments, correspondence, subject
files and a diary.
Title source: Title based on the contents of the fonds.
Record No.: Add. Mss 323
Repository: British Columbia Archives
Names: Kilpatrick, Thomas O., d. 1939
Canadian Pacific Railway Company
Pacific Great Eastern Railway
(These fonds trace Kilpatrick's career, particularly as a council member
in Revelstoke after he retired from the railway business. There are none
relating to the Duck's robbery.)
MCKINNON. Divisional Superintendent Thomas D KILPATRICK and Elsie
MCKINNON were married on 22 Apr 1903 in Revelstoke, B.C.
was born on 16 Oct 1890 in B.C. David Knapp is almost certainly the 16 or 17
year old boy interviewed by the Thiel Detective Agency "Operative
30" on the 14th of May 1906 at his step father Robert Pratt's farm out
at Upper Campbell Creek.
"The Knapp boy. who lives with Mr. Pratt (Robert) next door to
Todd's, Paul Stevens' father-in-law. This boy told Operator Calhoun that at
1:00 o'clock on the morning of the 9th inst., (nearly two hours after the
robbery), Stevens came to bed with him at Pratt's house."
In the report of Operator No. 30's interview at the Todd and Pratt's
place, he details the interviews with David Knapp and Mr. (James II)
"... called at the place of a Mr. Todd, near the (Upper) Campbell
Creek post office. He found young Todd (David Knapp) at home and
engaged him in conversation.
(Note: David Knapp was actually the stepson of Robert Pratt.)
KNAPP and Helena (Ellen) TODD. Parents: Robert PRATT and Helena (Ellen) TODD.
Ezra KNAPP was born on 1 Aug 1885
in B.C. Parents: Reignford
KNAPP and Helena (Ellen) TODD. Parents: Robert PRATT and Helena (Ellen) TODD.
Nettie KNAPP was born on 7 Jan
1888 in B.C. Parents: Reignford KNAPP and Helena (Ellen) TODD. Parents: Robert PRATT
and Helena (Ellen)
Reignford Knapp died young, however the circumstances and exact date are
(Ellen) TODD. Reignford KNAPP and Helena (Ellen) TODD were married
on 17 Aug 1884 in Kamloops, B.C. Children were: Ezra KNAPP, Nettie KNAPP, David KNAPP.
Mary KROVENTKO was born in 1836 in
Spuzzum, B.C. She died in 1932.
GARCIA. Children were: John GARCIA.
In 1906 E. LA ROUX384,385
was a Shuswap Nation tracker from the Kamloops Reserve. He was with the Ducks
robbery posse and was one of the Indian trackers responsible for the
successful capture of the robbers. La Roux is first mentioned in F.W.
La Roux's first name, first initial E, is most likely Eli, as it is common
within that family.
A photocopy of the "Le Roux Family" Tree was obtained from the Secwepemc Museum and Archives. It notes that the original ancestor of the Le Roux
family was Joseph La Roque, and supposedly his son was Abraham Le Roux. After
his death??, his wife (daughter??) Marie (1858-1930) married Chief Louis
(d1915) in 1889. They had sons Adam and Eli. Eli had sons Eli, Billy Felix,
and William, and daughters Celestine and Kliza. Norman La Rue was this Eli's
son. Perhaps the first Eli is the Ducks robbery tracker. (Has to have been
born after 1889.)
Various spellings may be Lerue, Laroux, Larue, Le Roux, La Rue, Le Roux.
In Ruth Balf's Kamloops 1914 - 1945, she mentions an "Eli Larue,
stepson of Chief Louie, and probably a descendant of Joseph La Toque, was
elected chief. He retained this position until 1940 ..."
LAC LA HACHE. Lac La Hache is a
valley extending from Bridge Creek (100 Mile House) to 150 Mile House.
Telegraph office at 115 Mile House. Post office at 111 Mile House.
Postmaster - H.D. McLure
Shorty Dunn spent considerable time in this area before moving to Princeton.
LADNER. Henderson's 1905
(Too many entries in directory to enter.)
Formerly Ladner's Landing
(See also Port Guichon and Delta)
An important town on the south bank of the Fraser River 5 miles from the
mouth. It is the business centre of the municipality, New Westminster
district, which contains 50,000 acres of the finest agricultural lands in the
province. It has telephone and money order Post Office and savings bank.
Mails daily except Sunday via CPN Company steamers from New Westminster.
Nearest railway station telegraph office-Westminster- 12 miles. It has 14
salmon canneries, 1 sawmill, Episcopal, Methodist, Baptist, Presbyterian and
Roman Catholic churches and 5 public schools. Has telephone connection with Vancouver, New Westminster and Seattle.
Population 1901 - 2,100
Jordan, Joseph. Livery
Reverend LAMBOT D. D. was living
in Nov 1907 in New Westminster, B.C. He presided over the retirement party of
Deputy Warden Bourke in Nov. of 1907. At that time, the Reverend was acting
Chaplain at the B.C. Pen. The party was held in the guard room. (NW Daily
Columbian, 4 Nov 07, p1.)
B.C. Provincial Police Constable A.W. LANE130,203 was living in Sep 1904 in Mission City , B.C. He was part of the Mission robbery and the B.C. Pen escape
investigating team. B.C. Provincial Police Constable A.W. Lane was dispatched
with three or four Special Constables on a special engine south across the
Fraser towards the international boundary line to possibly intercept the
Mission Junction train robbers there.
In the Van Prov of 12 Sep 1904, Beasley is noted as leaving Vancouver after 2:00 am on Sunday the 11th on a special train to make a "thorough
investigation" on the spot at the robbery location. He was accompanied
by Inspector McLeod of the C.P.R. police, Chief North of the (Vancouver) city police and Chief Campbell of the B.C. Provincial Police.
"Other officers in the party were Detective Scott, City Officers Hartney
and Deptford, Provincial Officers Mono and Smith and others".
Lane is noted as going down, probably early Sunday morning, from Mission to Sumas in the Mission robbery investigation, and later in the day was joined by
Detective McLeod and others.
After Miner's escape from the B.C. Pen in August of 1907, Lane was dispatched
to Nicomen Island to follow up on the information that a local farmer, Des
Roches, had given Miner breakfast three days after the escape. Lane was
assigned Special Constables by the B.C. Provincial Police to assist him in
the search of the Island. (Daily Columbian 14 Aug 07)
Prime Minister Sir Wilfred LAURIER113
quashed the hopes on the part of the Conservative opposition for any inquiry
into Miner's escape. Prime Minster Laurier is drawn into the
debate on the escape of Miner in the late winter of 1909.
Wilfred Laurier (1896-1911)
- First French-Canadian Prime Minister.
- Offered transportation to Boer War for troops
- Created Department of External Affairs 1909
In 1906 Conductor LAWSON was a
railway conductor in Revelstoke, B.C.1 He kept the Ducks robbery
passengers under control.
Reverend Father LE JUENE386
was living in 1905 in Kamloops, B.C. The B.C. Directory notes the initials
OMI after his name. He is also noted as being the publisher of the Kamloops monthly Wawa, a Chinook Jargon newspaper.
was born about 1878. He died on 21 Oct 1908 in Kamloops, B.C. A
Michelle Lecamp was found on the B.C. Archives Death Index. He died in the
"Kamloops District" at age unknown. He was also known as Lakima or
Lakemp. He was one of the Indian trackers responsible for the successful
capture of the robbers. He was a member of Fernie and Pearse's posse
and he found the camp above Campbell's Meadows. His picture is found in the
famous posse photograph by Mary Spencer.
B.C. Arch Death Index notes a Michel (sometimes spelt Michelle) Lecamp
dying at an unknown age in 21 Oct 1908.
Further research has determined that Michelle was murdered under mysterious
circumstances by a renegade who escaped across the American border. More
research should be done on this incident.
was affected by the Mission robbery as he had his boat stolen by the escaping
robbers. Lee was a farmer living close to where the Mission Junction robbers
left the robbed train. The writer Don Waite mentions his name as
The New Westminster Columbian also states his first name as
Mary LEONARD, the native Indian wife
of Lewis Campbell, was born on 16 Apr 1845 in Fort George, B.C.390
She died in 1911 in Kamloops, B.C.
CAMPBELL Senior. Lewis CAMPBELL Senior and Mary LEONARD were
married bfr 1871 in Kamloops, B.C. Children were: Martha CAMPBELL, Lewis Jr CAMPBELL, Walter CAMPBELL,
Mary Jane CAMPBELL,
Outlaw Bill LEROY391
was an accessory to Bill Miner on previous stagecoach and railroad robberies
who was caught and lynched after a failed robbery.
On 10 Sep 1904 WF LONGLI392
was a C.P.R. mail clerk during the Mission robbery.
In 1904 W. F. LOUGH389
was a mail clerk from Vancouver when the C.P.R. was robbed at Mission. Clerk Lough, together with Clerk Thorburn, were in the mail car which was
robbed by Miner and his gang. The registered mail sack was taken from this
saw Miner and Dunn near the Pioneer Cemetery on River Street in May of 1906
in Kamloops, B.C. She submitted a witness statement to C.P.R.'s Detective
In a letter of 23 May 1906 to McLaws of C.P.R. Special
Service Dept., W. McLeod of the same Dept. writes,
"I interviewed Mrs. Rosie Love of Kamloops who states that on Monday May
7th at about 10:30 am she saw a man riding one horse and leading another come
up from the North side of the cemetery (Pioneer Cemetery on River Street?)
cross the track, evidently going into town, today she identified small horse
as the one ridden, but did not notice lead horse enough to remember same, did
not see riders face but remembered his appearance perfectly (?) and on seeing
Dunn in the Goal today she is sure his appearance answers the same. She also
noticed after he had passed with the horses that an elderly man followed up
and remained near North West corner of cemetery looking around, identified
Edwards as the man, but he wore a dark slouch hat well worn and drooping and
had about one weeks growth of beard. She is positive he is the same man she
saw there May 7th 1906 she was busy scrubbing and did not see the parties
McLeod made a thorough canvas of the neighbourhood at the east end of town,
but could find no one else to give further information.
LOWER NICOLA. Lower Nicola
(See also Coutlee)
A post settlement on the Nicola-Kamloops Road in the Nicola Valley in the Yale District. Nearest railway station and telegraph office Spence's Bridge,
distance 35 miles. Mail bi-weekly. It is reached by the Kamloops and Spence's
Bridge mail stage twice a week. Has Methodist church and public school
Postmaster - R.M. Woodward.
Armstrong, J.B. and Company. General merchants.
Bernard, Joseph. Farmer.
Collett, Alfred. Farmer.
Dodding, David. Rancher and Dairyman
Gordon, Alexander. Farmer
Johnston, Parry. Labourer
Johnston, Robert. Labourer
Patrick, James. Labourer.
Lindley, George, Labourer.
Lindley, Henry. Retired.
Lindley, John. Farmer.
McGregor, George. Carpenter.
Manning, John. Farmer
Moul C. Labourer.
Richardson, Edward. Farmer.
Royal, John J. Chival. Miner.
Smith, James. Blacksmith.
Strobb, H.T. Miner and Prospector
Thibideau, Peter. Labourer.
Willson, John. Farmer
Woodward, R. Marcus. general merchant, sawmill and postmaster
Woodward, Clarence. Farmer
Woodward, Frank B. Farmer
Woodward, Fred. Farmhand.
Woodward, Harvey H. Farmer
Woodward, Henry. Farmer
Woodward, James. Farmer
Woodward, Norman. Herder.
Woodward, S.J. General store.
Woodward, William E. farmer.
Mary Isabel LYLE197,265
was born about 1879. She died on 16 Feb 1964 in Victoria, B.C. She was the
wife of B.C. Provincial Police Constable Fernie during his pursuit of Bill
Miner in May of 1906.
William Lewis FERNIE. Constable William Lewis FERNIE and Mary
Isabel LYLE were married on 11 Sep 1905 in Kamloops, B.C.265
Alexander Finlay MACKENZIE26,31,36,74,394
was a trapper in Princeton, B.C. around May of 1906. He heard Jack Budd
galloping back with extra horses from the Kamloops area after Ducks robbery.
Margaret Stoneberg of the Princeton Museum relates that a "Laird"
MacKenzie, a rancher, said he heard Jack Budd returning hell-for-leather from
Kamloops the night of the train robbery at Ducks with several horses. This
Laird MacKenzie is the same person as Alexander McKenzie.
Constable Hunter of Princeton noted in his report to Sup't Hussey the
On 15 April 1906 Edwards and Budd were seen by MacKenzie by his ranch at One
Mile Creek and about 13 miles north of Princeton. Each had a saddle horse and
two pack horses. They stopped at the next ranch about one mile from
MacKenzie's owned by Christopher Burkstead.
From the Princeton book. p 453. Submitted by Janelle Ceccon.
Alexander Finlay MacKenzie was born Mar 1856 in Scotland. He was a good
friend of Alec Broomfield, who kept his mail at his hotel for him. In his
correspondence with his relatives back in Scotland, MacKenzie led his
relatives to believe he was a "lord" or "Laird" of a
large holding in Canada. He owned property near what was then called Turkey, or Blue or MacKenzie and now Laird Lake. He lived there alone and trapped for a living. He
died in 1942.
This confirms that Stoneberg's "Laird" is indeed Alexander
was a passenger on the train robbed at Mission. He hid his valuables and
assisted in barricading the coach against the robbers. Malkin was a passenger
on the train robbed at Mission Junction. At that time he was a well known
businessman in Vancouver in the wholesale grocery business. He went on to
become a Mayor of Vancouver.
Malkin was an occupant of the Pullman car, and described the confusion that
took place among the passengers when word of the robbery was passed on to
them. (New Westminster Columbian 12 Sep 04)
died in 1864 in Kamloops, B.C. She was born on 1 Jun 1874 in B.C. In the B.C.
Archives, and on her marriage information, she is noted as
"Maggie". In the Census, Maggie is noted as being of Scots
extraction. Parents: William
(III) TODD. James (III) TODD and Margaret MANSON were married on 1
Jan 1896 in Kamloops, B.C.
William Manson, fur trader, served at the fort in Kamloops in the 1850s and
60s before settling at Lac La Hache in the Cariboo.
Children were: Margaret
General Superintendent Richard MARPOLE13,37,39,43,75,130,395,396,397,398
was born in 1850 in Wales, England. In the 1907 Voter’s List he
is noted as living at the corner of Hastings and Hornby Streets in Van. He
was with the C.P.R. Pacific Division in Vancouver. He died on 8 Jun 1920 in Vancouver, B.C. He was in Kamloops with his private railway car monitoring the pursuit and
trial of the robbers. He directed the C.P.R. interests during the Mission robbery investigation.
"Richard Marpole, the C.P.R. western superintendent
after whom the district (in Vancouver) was named in 1916. Born in 1850
in Wales, he started railroading at age 18, and assumed the general
superintendent's office after the retirement of Henry Abbott. He resigned
that post in 1907, and died in 1920 in Vancouver."
(Vancouver The Way It Was, p183)
1898 Voter's List
In 1898, Marpole was Superintendent of the C.P.R. in Kamloops.
B.C. VOTERS LIST 1898 - Mar to Maz
from the Sessional Papers of the British Columbia Government, 1899
extracted by Hugh Armstrong,
Marpole, Richard, Kamloops, Abbott St, N. side, Superintendent C.P.R., YN
(Yale North Riding, Kamloops.)
The day that the Mission robbery occurred, Marpole was in Victoria. (New Westminster Columbian, 12 Sep 04)
The Vancouver Province interviewed General Superintendent
Marpole on the afternoon of Monday 12 Sep 1904, and Marpole advised them
that he had issued a reward notice of $1000 for information on the robbers.
This reward was later increased to $5,000 and a further $1,000 for
information leading to the arrests.
In the Daily Columbian of New Westminster for 20 Sep 1904, Lord
Shaughnessy gave a brief comment on the Mission robbery, (p1) and on page 3
there was a lengthy column on a meeting of C.P.R. officials in Vancouver.
Shaughnessy arrived in Vancouver Sunday (18th) evening with his two private
cars; the "Cornwall" and the "York". In these cars with
Shaughnessy were Sir George Drummond, VP of the Bank of Montreal and a director
of the C.P.R.; R. B Angus and E. B. Osler of Toronto and C. R. Hosmer of Montreal. William Whyte, then 2nd VP of the C.P.R., arrived in his car the "Manitoba" from Winnipeg. With him was the C.P.R.'s chief engineer Mr. Tye.
Western divisional general superintendent R. M. Marpole's private car #10 was
occupied by Marpole, Superintendent H. E. Beasley, engineers Cambie and
Webster, and Mr. and Mrs. C. G. Henshaw.
Shaughnessy advised the reporter that the meeting that took place on Monday
the 19th was to discuss expansion plans for the railway in B.C. He noted that
the C.P.R. had spent $31,000,000 on repairs and improvements since the
previous January, and when questioned about the issuance of a further
$25,000,000 in stock, he noted that this was for improvements to the line
west of Winnipeg.
Shaughnessy and his party left later that afternoon on a steamer for Victoria.
Marpole's private car number was #10. (Daily Columbian 20 Sep 1904)
On 9 May 1906, Marpole gave his first of many interviews to the Vancouver Daily Province. He described details of the robbery, and expressed confidence
in the eventual capture of the bandits.
After the Ducks robbery, Marpole would naturally have discussed the situation
with his superior, Vice President Whyte in Winnipeg. It was Whyte who
requested of the federal government that the R.N.W.M.P. be called in to
assist the B.C. Provincial Police.
In the Vancouver Daily News Advertiser of 16 May 1906, it notes that
Sup't Marpole, in the company of Sup't Kilpatrick of Revelstoke, had gone out
to meet the prisoners on their way in to Kamloops, and accompanied them to
the Kamloops Goal. Both C.P.R. officials appear in a buggy in the famous Mary
Spencer photo of the party coming in to Kamloops.
Victoria Daily Colonist 18 May 06, p1
After the successful capture of the Ducks robbers, Marpole gave a
statement to the press of B.C. It appeared in all the major papers of the
day, and in it he called for a mounted troop of police, similar to the
R.N.W.M.P., to be stationed at critical locations throughout B.C. This would
supposedly thwart further predation on the C.P.R. He also criticized the
influx of "the large number of tough characters who are coming into the
Interior from the South." He went on to call for bloodhounds to be kept
in Canada to pursue fugitives and robbers, and praised the American handlers
of the hounds brought in by the C.P.R. from Spokane. (Harry Drake and his
assistant Thomas Hopper). Hussey and A. G. Fulton would later decide against
keeping bloodhounds for this purpose in Canada, as it was not considered the
On the 12 June 1906, B.C. Pen Warden Whyte wrote C.P.R. Gen. Sup't
Marpole in Vancouver that he had, at Marpole's request, sent to him copies of
the photos of the three robbers under separate cover. The photos of the three
were taken shaven and unshaven, and Whyte cautioned Marpole, as he did with
all other recipients of the photos, that they were not for publication
without the prison administration's permission. He went on to note that C.P.R.
Special Service Detective Bullick had also requested copies of the
photographs, and asked Marpole to pass copies on to him. (A. Martin Coll.,
Geo. Edwards Corr. file.)
On 13 June 1906 Marpole received a letter from C.P.R. 2nd VP W. Whyte congratulating
him on the capture of the Ducks robbers, and encloses another congratulatory
letter from the President of the Dominion Express Co.
After the incarceration of the three Ducks robbers, Marpole continued to
pursue other possible accessories to the robbery. He sends a letter to
Hussey 4 Jul 1906 with information on Tom Arnold in Princeton after
receiving letters from C.P.R. Inspector Bullick and the Thiel Detective
Service's Seavey. They mention Tom Arnold as continuing to be a suspect in
the Mission robbery.
In a letter to Whyte 19 July 1906, he notes that if possible, Budd and
the other Miner confederates should be put away. He also reveals that there
is other evidence to show that Dunn was involved in the Mission robbery, and
that his alibi of being in the Cariboo country at that time does not hold up.
He feels confident, however, that the three ringleaders of the Mission robbery, Miner, Dunn and Colquhoun, are now in custody. He goes on to criticize the
lack of interest the Provincial Government spends on the "desperado
element of the residents of Yale and Kootenay districts", and plans to
have a "quiet talk with the executive." (B.C. Govt.)
Marpole criticizes B.C. Provincial Police Sup't Hussey and Const. Hewat and
Hunter in Princeton and attaches copies of their letters and reports to
Whyte. He describes the B.C. Provincial Police force and it's activities as
"this peculiar feature of careless indifferent espionage and treatment
of the criminals of other countries by our Constabulary". What he is
probably concerned about is Hewat's report to Hussey where Hewat describes
working alongside types such as Arnold and Budd, and the easy familiarity
with which he approaches them. It was probably difficult for the urbanized
Marpole, one of the pillars of society in Vancouver and markedly isolated
from the other classes, to understand the relationships and inter-dependence
of the early settlers, miners and ranchers in the interior upon each other,
regardless of each others social standing.
The B.C. Provincial Police were very understaffed in B.C.'s southern interior
at a time when mining, building of railroads and the development of other
natural resources was often funded, developed and exploited by Americans from
Washington and Idaho.
This is the first source which tries to tie, unsuccessfully, Colquhoun and
Dunn to the Mission robbery. Marpole's conclusions are based on the results
of investigations carried out subsequent to the Ducks robbery.
The birth/death/marriage have to be confirmed. (B.C. Arch data) Did he
really marry that late in life (54???).
Isabel HOLMES. General Superintendent Richard MARPOLE and Anna
Isabel HOLMES were married on 16 Sep 1905 in Victoria, B.C.
was born in 1892. Matilda (Wilma) Marquart was the mother of interviewee Gordon Heslop. Matilda married a Thomas Heslop of Nicola 6 June 1924 in the church at Nicola.
Thomas Heslop was a butcher and a Warden of the church there.
Matilda's father was Peter Marquart, who had married a Marie Maas.
Matilda was born 1892 on the SX Ranch, which was located on the right side of
the highway between Merritt and Aspen Grove and near Corbett Lake. Her older brother Simon was born in 1890. The log buildings are still standing. Corbett Lake and Courtenay Lakes are on the left as you travel east. Peter Marquart ran an
irrigation ditch down from Marquart Lake to the part of the SX Ranch that was
summer meadow for his horses. He raised horses and drove them to Great Falls Montana to sell to the US Cavalry.
The Marquart mother and father are buried at the cemetery at Nicola.
It was probably in the winter of 1905-1906 that when Miner was living in
Budd's cabin near Aspen Grove, he made acquaintance with the Marquart Family,
which lived not that far from Dodd's store at Aspen Grove. He ran into the
father as he was soaking hides in Mathew Lake (close to Garcia Lake) on SX Ranch property. Miner, as George Edwards, rode up to him and offered
to make shoes for Marquart's son and daughter in trade for a strip of bull
hide to repair the stirrups on a saddle he was using. The rancher took him up
on the offer and Matilda would tell the story of the notorious cobbler to her
own children in later years. Miner learned to cobble shoes in San Quentin.
In the Nicola Valley Historical Quarterly of December 1989
(Vol. 9-No.4 page 7) is an article on Peter Marquart by his grandson Gordon Heslop. (The writer interviewed Mr. Heslop in the winter of 2006 in the company of
Larry Tyssen previous to discovering this article.)
In the Quarterly article Mr. Heslop gives considerable detail about his
grandfather. Peter Marquart was born in Denmark on 13 June 1862. He left Denmark in 1975 at age 13, and eventually acquired the Courtenay Lake (Corbett Lake) Ranch. He had a stepbrother Mathew Marquart. Peter married Marie Maas in 1889 when he
was 27. Together they had children Simon (1890), Matilda (1891), Agnes
(1894), Minnie, Gertrude and Edward. Two others who died young are buried in
the Murray churchyard cemetery at Nicola. They are a boy who died in 1893 and
a girl who died in 1895.
After 1896, Peter bought a ranch in Nicola Lake that is now part of the
Chutter Ranch. He also bought a livery and stage line from M.P. Stewart.
Marquart died in Merritt in 1943.
(The following is verbatim from the article.)
"Bill Miner made shoes for the three older Marquart children, Simon,
Matilda and Agnes. He traded them to Peter Marquart for a particularly strong
bull hide Peter was tanning in Marquart Lake one fall. It was Miner's plan to
use the hide to make rifle scabbards. Like many, Peter was surprised to find
out Bill Miner had a habit of robbing trains. He did say the man surely was a
good judge of horses."
played cards with Miner in Marriott's poolroom after the Mission
robbery. From at least Sep 1904 to May 1906 he was a pool room
proprietor in Chilliwack, B.C. He gave witness information on the Mission
Junction robbery to the American private detective hired by the C.P.R.
Marriott ran a pool room in Chilliwak at the time George Edwards was there in
the fall of 1904. Thiel operative #38 interviewed him on 24 May 1906 for the
Ducks robbery investigation. Marriott picked out Edwards' photograph, and
commented that he had played cards a great deal in his establishment while he
had been in the area. He added that Missouri Bill (C.P.R. undercover
operative) had often played cards with Edwards at that time. Edwards, while
playing cards, always sat with his back to the wall and kept a sharp watch on
the door and everyone who entered.
On 8 May 1906 H. W. MARTIN was a
baggage man in Ducks, B.C. He was part of the train crew held up at
Ducks. From Vancouver, he was with the conductor, Sam Elliott, when
train #97 was being held up C.P.R. baggageman at the Ducks robbery.
Emma MATHEWS was born on 3 Nov
George Currie (Currie) SCHISLER. James George Currie (Currie)
SCHISLER and Emma MATHEWS were married in 1891 in Ontario. Children were: Myrtle Edith SCHISLER,
Irene SCHISLER, Frederick Clifford SCHISLER, George Ivan SCHISLER.
Premier Sir Richard MCBRIDE402,403
was born on 15 Dec 1868 in Victoria, B.C. He was Premier of B.C. in
S.W. Jackman in his "Portraits of the
Premiers" likened the Honourable Sir Richard McBride to "Gladstone taking office in England in 1868 for thereafter the lines were firmly drawn and
the old ways vanished."
The following is either paraphrased or verbatim from Jackman’s
work. Jackman described the province of B.C. as the fairy princess who,
having pricked her finger, lived but was sound asleep. Her prince, McBride,
arrived on 1 June 1903 when he was first elected to office, and woke the sleeping
maiden. After McBride, all the old patterns of political life disappeared, as
he instituted the idea of direct political affiliation for a government and
McBride was the first Premier to be born in British Columbia. He was the third
of three sons and had two sisters. His father was a police officer when they
moved to New Westminster, and later became warden of the federal
On Dominion Day in 1885, at age 15, McBride, with 3 other young boys, were
reported for indecent exposure by some ladies at a picnic who witnessed the
boys stripping down and swimming in the buff. McBride's father hired a
prominent law firm and the boys escaped prosecution.
McBride studied at Dalhousie University with assistance from his older brother
William. Soon after passing his bar examinations New Westminster in 1892, he
went north to Atlin, B.C. He became a specialist in mining law and was
successful in earning enough money ($4,000) to serve as a stake for his entry
His first attempt at politics, as a federal Conservative in July 1896 was
unsuccessful. That same year he married Christina McGillivary of New Westminster. In 1898 he ran in the provincial election for the riding of Dewdney and
was successful. This was a very turbulent period in B.C. politics, and while
McBride had run as a supporter of the then Premier John Turner, by the time
the legislature was to sit, McBride found himself as a member of the
McBride and his wife Christina continued to promote McBride's political
career, and the charming and agreeable young couple moved in all the right
circles in Victoria. Richard continued to win in elections, and was
particularly interested in maintaining B.C.'s connection with the British
Empire, and favoured closer connections between Canada and the mother
B.C. politics followed it's normal path of intrigue and conspiracy in those
early years of the century. McBride's father advised him to "resign
everything but your honour", which McBride did. He joined the opposition
against the Dunsmuir government and became an effective voice for the
At the Conservative Party convention in Revelstoke in 1902, McBride failed to
get the official leadership of the provincial party, but did achieve the de
facto leadership in all but name. Also, the convention did take steps that
McBride would put into future practice. The convention took the first steps
towards advocating particular party allegiance for provincial
In 1902 McBride, when the government was dismissed, was called upon by the
Lieutenant-Governor to form a government. He was the youngest man ever to
become Premier of British Columbia. On June 2 he informed the house that he
intended to construct his government along strict party lines as a
The former governments of Dunsmuir and EG Prior had left the finances of the
province in a horrible mess. McBride, after a brief meeting of the
legislature, and a review of the budget estimates, dissolved the legislature
and called for the election of the Conservative Party, who, he maintained,
would return B.C. to fiscal responsibility and prosperity.
Though McBride was to win a majority of only one seat, his style and
political expertise enabled him to slowly but firmly gain mastery of the
house, without having to cajole the dreaded Socialists for support.
McBride's first government was faced with a financial crisis due to a current
recession and the credit of the province was at one of its lowest points.
Provincial expenses were cut back and no new debts were assumed. Minor
scandals and economic false starts created pressures on both the government
and the provincial economy. The federal Conservatives pondered disassociation
from the provincial upstarts.
However, gradually "Glad Hand Dick", as he came to be called for
his promoting ways, and his government, managed to turn things around.
Prosperity started to return, mining activity increased, railway construction
accelerated, the forest industry caught it's second wind and the influx of
Immigrants all served to help B.C. back to it's economic feet, and to enhance
the fortunes of McBride and his fledgling provincial Conservative Party.
The perceived federal disinterest and disdain for the Pacific Province was prevalent in both voter and party circles at this time. McBride was to utilize a
tool used by many future party leaders in B.C., the "Fight Canada" cry for more recognition and largess from Ottawa. He exhorted the federal government to
provide "Better Terms" for B.C., and did not hesitate in his
criticism of Ottawa's ignorance and rejection of British Columbians. This was
a popular stance with most citizens, and served to increase his popularity.
McBride was a consummate politician. He understood his constituency, and
indeed believed that all of British Columbia was his constituency. He toured
the province extensively, he was charming and gracious everywhere. He
shamelessly promoted himself and his party, and the voters, and they, knowing
that they were being promoted, accepted it and thrived within it. He always
remained courteous and acted in the best of taste, and "the peoples
Dick" enjoyed a popularity not before equaled in B.C.
The Kamloops lawyer Frederick Fulton was an integral part of McBride's
government. First elected at the turn of the century, he was to serve in
McBride's governments as Provincial Secretary and Minister of Education. In
1905, Fulton was made Attorney General and Chief Commissioner of Lands and
Works in McBride's government.
In 1905 McBride was put to the test. He boarded the train in B.C., and
proceeded west to meet that other consummate politician, Sir Wilfred Laurier,
Prime Minister and leader of the ruling Liberal Party. Both exerted all their
charms in the service of diplomacy and coercion, but Laurier held all the
cards and had the largest pot. Then, as now, central and eastern Canada held all the votes any federal government would need, and the concerns of and cries
for help from a province at the far west end of the railway line were not
high on Laurier's to-do list. McBride was unsuccessful in extracting any
concessions from the federal government, and so turned to that other font of
investment for B.C.; the United States. There he convinced eastern financiers
in New York to invest in British Columbia.
The results of McBride's trip to the East served to further strengthen his
"Fight Canada" policies, and these beliefs were confirmed by
Laurier at future federal-provincial conferences where Laurier continued to
refuse subsidies to British Columbia.
That spring of 1906 saw Frederick Fulton, MLA for Kamloops and Attorney
General, served as prosecutor in Kamloops at the trial of Bill Miner and his
gang of robbers. By early June the robbers had been successfully prosecuted
and sentenced to the B.C. Penitentiary.
McBride called a snap election for 2 February 1907. The election was fought
over Ottawa's perceived rejection of B.C.'s needs and Ottawa's failure to
bring the Grand Trunk Railway to B.C. McBride took the position that all who
were opposed to him were opposed to the future growth and success of British Columbia. McBride's provincial constituents supported him, and he now had a
majority in the provincial legislature. In a House with 42 seats, 27 were
It was sometime prior to this that Attorney General Fulton resigned from
McBride's cabinet. While official reasoning is difficult to find, some
sources say it was the result of disagreements with McBride over the route
the Grand Trunk should follow going through Kamloops, and the rumoured
cronyism and corruption in the decision making process for railway matters.
McBride had a cabinet shake up subsequent to the resignation of Fulton and the 1907 election. He appointed W.J. Bowser as Attorney General, and he was
later to succeed McBride as Premier.
McBride continued to win elections and impress both voters and foreign
politicians and dignitaries. He received considerable recognition from
everyone at the Colonial Conference in London with the exception of Laurier.
He and his wife were invited to the coronation of George V and Queen Mary at
Westminster Abbey, and both rural and urban voters continued to endorse his
policies and methods. McBride was ultimately knighted in recognition of his
work to promote ties with England, and was the only B.C. Premier to receive
that distinction. In the midst of all this public success, McBride and his
wife Christina were to lose their only son in infancy, a private sorrow
tempering all future recognition.
The years before the Great War were less smooth for McBride and his
Conservatives. Recession again set in, and the political scene was becoming
less smooth. Agitation by the Socialist opposition, race riots and pressure
from the unions to limit or stop immigration of the Chinese and East Indians
created consternation and distasteful and reluctant legislation.
The early war years, gave McBride a brief respite from the regular pressures
of normal B.C. politics. He purchased two submarines from the American Navy,
for which he was to acquire enduring fame. He was a confidant of Canada's wartime Prime Minister Borden, and a great friend of Winston Churchill. He
travelled to London where he mixed with British cabinet ministers and had an
audience with the King. He reveled in the peculiarities of his position as a
provincial premier in such august surroundings, and relished all the
attention showered upon him, and through him, the province of British Columbia .
However, all was not roses as his Attorney General of the day, William
Bowser, was making criticisms of McBride's railway policies and his purchase
of the American submarines. The pressures began to take their toll upon him.
Upon his return to Victoria from California in 1913 , where he was given an
honorary degree, his intimates were to see the first signs of his
By 1915 he was in poor health and found it increasingly difficult to cope
with the every day demands of government, and the pressures of the
suffragettes and prohibitionists. On the 15th of December that year, on his
forty-fifth birthday, he resigned.
He left Victoria in January 1916 to the accompaniment of well wishers,
parades and bands. He crossed the country and bade his farewell to friends,
embarked for Britain and settled in London. He enjoyed his life in Britain as Agent General of B.C., where he continued to serve as a representative of the
province he loved, but his health continued to decline. He resigned his post
in May of 1917, and hoped to return to his native province. However, such was
not to be, and Richard McBride's time was running out. He died on 6 August,
1917 in his forty-seventh year.
S.W. Jackman in his "Portraits of the Premiers" ends his
portrait of McBride in the most glowing terms. "He was a fine Canadian
example of the Edwardian gentlemen. He expressed the thoughts of those who
promoted B.C. and it's future but he was no idealist. He saw nothing wrong
with opposing Oriental immigration, although the grounds upon which he did so
were specious, because he was acting in accord with the views of his fellow
citizens and he felt it proper to do so. As a practical man he believed that
patronage was a natural part of politics." He was perhaps too generous
to his friends but did not enrich himself in the process. Indeed, in 1918 the
Legislature had to vote a sum of $5,000 to Lady McBride and his children to
support them in his absence. "Richard McBride was always at his best on
the platform, elegant, handsome and charming, at ease with everyone. Nobody
could long remain his enemy."
McBride's contribution to politics in British Columbia were obvious to all.
By establishing the concept of party government for B.C., he ended the old
highly unstable system that had existed since Confederation. "He set a
pattern for political leadership which survived long after his own day. After
his tenure the province came to expect that their leaders should have some
style and some real elan."
"Richard McBride was undoubtedly the most significant figure produced by
the province of British Columbia to his own day; certainly he was, and
remains, the most significant Conservative ever to hold the office of Premier
of British Columbia and he may well be the most significant Conservative in
the history of the province in it's first century."
McBride, a Conservative, became Premier of B.C. in 1903 at the age of 32,
the youngest person ever to head a provincial government. In 1906 he was
under attack because of government railway policy. McBride hired the
Pinkerton's to spy on the former Prime Minister Tupper, Bowser and other
Conservative stalwarts. Bowser was later brought into cabinet as Attorney
General in 1907, and the crisis toned down.
McBride paid for the Pinkerton's out of his own pocket, and when he died, he
was virtually penniless.
Much of the above information is verbatim from http://www.knowbc.com/pages/fessays.html
Prisoner Albert F. MCCLUSKEY134,172,404
was a fellow escapee with Miner from the B.C. Pen. He had been sentenced to 7
years for shoplifting.
The New Westminster Columbian for 9 Aug spells his last name as
McCluskey, but other sources spell it as McKluskey. He along with Miner and
two others escaped from the B.C. Pen 8 Aug 1907. McCluskey had been sentenced
to seven years for stealing and shop lifting in Vancouver. He had served four
years of his sentence when he escaped. He had been working with the other
three escapees in the Penitentiary brickyard immediately prior to the escape.
McCluskey was described by the paper as a man of medium height, with a dark
He had pursued a lengthy career of crime in Vancouver. His last caper was to
break into a store there where he was confronted by night watchman Dan Harrison
at the point of a revolver. As a result he ended up in the Pen.
In the New Westminster Columbian of 10 Aug 1907, he was
rumoured to have been spotted in the barroom of the Gladstone Hotel in
Vancouver, one of his favourite haunts, where he had been calling for beer.
This occurred (the evening of the 9th?) and the Vancouver Police were busy
following up on the lead, staking out the several places which were
McCluskey's frequent hang-outs.
The Vancouver Daily News Advertiser of 11 Aug 04 tells rather a
different story of the encounter with McCluskey. The paper interviewed the
proprietor of the Gladstone Hotel on Vancouver Road. He was awakened Friday
morning (Aug 9th) by a man who said he had been out all night and
needed a beer. The proprietor of the hotel served him, but when it came time
to pay, the man said he was broke and left, heading towards Vancouver. A few
hours later the hotel man heard the story of the prison break and the
description of the escapees. he was headed to Vancouver when he spotted that
same customer ahead of him. As the hotel man approached, the suspect ducked
into the brush beside the road. On driving up to that same spot, the hotelman
peered into the brush and spotted the same man that he had served that
morning. He reported the sighting to the police, and his description of the
thirsty traveller was so detailed that the police had no doubt but that he
New Westminster Columbian 15 Aug 07, p1
There was a positive report of McCluskey's whereabouts on Westham Island. On 14 Aug 07, his socks, marked with his convict number 142, were found and
identified by Bourke. The paper speculated that this report probably puts to
rest the theory he had been in the Gladstone Hotel on the night of the 9th.
However, the relationship of Westham Island to the location of the Gladstone
Hotel will have to be checked to determine the possibilities.
was living in 1906 in Princeton, B.C. He lent one of his horses to Shorty
Dunn before the robbery.
In Dep. AG McLean's letter
to McIntyre 22 May 1906, he notes that "N.B. McPhadden (sic) of
Princeton will testify that the prisoners or one of them hired from him one
or more of the horses which were found astray South of the Railway after the
commission of the robbery".
It was Dunn who borrowed McFadden's horse.
In the 1907 VL there exists a Neil B. McFadden, carpenter, in Hedley,
In the 29 May 06 issue of the Vancouver World (p1) the paper gives
McFadden's testimony at the trial the day previously, the 28th. He recognized
Dunn and Edwards in the courtroom as men he had known in Princeton. Dunn had
borrowed a horse from him on March 28 that had a block M branded on it, and
McFadden described the horse to the court. When he was taken out to the yard
of the court house, he was shown a horse with a white face and legs, and
McFadden declared, "That's my horse". McFadden testified that Dunn
had told him that he needed the horse for a three week prospecting trip.
McFadden went on to state that Dunn had been around Princeton and Hedley for
several years and Edwards for about two years, but McFadden hadn't seen him until
February of 1906.
McFadden wrote to Hussey from Princeton 16 May 1906 to attempt to
regain possession of his horse(S).
"is there a horse among the horses taken from the train robbers
answering the following descriptions One bay horse weigh about 900 lbs
Branded M on Right Sholdr and one White hind leg if so Kindly let me no as i
Loaned Dunn this horse about the last of march to go on a prospecting trip
for about three weeks and this is the first i have heard of either since if
the horse is there What steps must i take to Recover him"
In DAG McLean's closing argument notes, he states that McFadden, on 28
March, lent Dunn the bay horse for three weeks for a prospecting trip. Graves subsequently identified the horse as the one he had found. (This was one of the
hobbled horses found by JB Greaves, and was subsequently used by the posse to
relieve their own spent mounts during the chase after the robbers.)
Detective W.A. MCFOY57,78,407
was with the C.P.R. Special Service in Calgary, AB. He was part of the Ducks
robbery investigation team. He was also known as W H FOY in some sources.
VProv, 4 June 1906
Hussey in an interview with the Province said McFoy was with the C.P.R.
Special Service police and was from Calgary.
McFoy was in Kamloops assisting with the Ducks robbery investigation, and
drove out east of Kamloops by buggy on the 23 May to interview Buse, Taite
and Hickson. Only Taite could provide a good identification of the three
B.C. Archives, GR0-419, Bo 117, File 1906/88, Attorney General Crown
Prosecutor files, 19 May 1906.
The Thiel detective L. Calhoun and C.P.R. Special Services Agent McFoy,
guided by Fred Carter and driven by Richard Blair, made an investigation of
the two camps found by the posse early in the chase. Both Blair and Carter
were former posse members so were familiar with the locations. The agent's
report refers to McFoy as "Foy" but it is obvious he is referring
to this C.P.R. detective.
A report dated 19 May 1906, sent by the initials "L. C." to
an unknown source, presumably B.C. Provincial Police Sup't Hussey, gives a
detailed description of the items found at Camps 1 and 2 of the Ducks
robbers. "LC" was accompanied on the site investigation by a driver
Richard Blair, C.P.R. Special Service Detective W. F. Foy (McFoy) and
F. E. Carter, one of the posse members from the beginning.
In an interview with the Vancouver Province (4 June 1908)
B.C. Provincial Police Sup't Hussey gives Foy (McFoy) credit for
assisting him in the investigation of the Ducks robbery.
In May 1906 Chief of Police Neil A.
was a Chief of Police in Kamloops, B.C. He was interviewed during Ducks
robbery investigation. He commented upon Paul Stevens' character and that he
was not trustworthy. McLeod, William, Letter to Marpole, and Report to C.P.R.'s
McLaws by McLeod of Theil Detective Agency, "Ducks robbery
investigation, Kamloops area witness statements" (Seavey, Thiel
Detective Agency, Seattle, 21 June 1906)
Kamloops storeowner Mr. Brooks advised that he had never seen Stevens in
his store before, but had seen him drive by a number of times, and knew his
face but not his name. He said that he thought it very strange that the man
should come in and make so large a purchase as Brooks had never before got
any of the ranch trade. He went on to say that the Chief of Police (Neil A.
McGill) of Kamloops came into the store just as Stevens was leaving, and
Brooks asked the Chief whom he was. The Chief said he was Paul Stevens and
that he had a bad reputation among the merchants in town and it would not be
advisable to extend him credit.
was born on 4 Jun 1829 in Ontario. In 1906 he was a rancher in Campbell Range, B.C. Mary Balf in her book, Kamloops to 1914, notes
Archie McGillivray starting a farm up in the Campbell Range in the 1st decade
of the 20th C.
There are two Archie McGillivrays in the 1907 Voters List. The one noted as a
rancher in the Campbell Range is probably the one we want. The other is a stone
mason at Monte Creek.
Archie appears in the 1901 Census as living by himself out in the
Campbell Creek area.
A MCGREGOR was foreman of the jury
for the second trial of the robbers and a member of the convicting jury.
New West Chief of Police McIntosh spots Miner, as George Edwards, in the
Lytton Hotel in New Westminster in the fall of 1905. Miner was there two or
three days while bringing (rustled?) horses from the Upper Country to
McIntosh, Waddell and R.N.W.M.P. officer Wilson visit Miner in the B.C. Pen
on 27 Jun 1907. (VDNA 18Feb09, p1)
NW Daily Columbian, 13 Feb 09, p1.
The paper detailed the debates in the House on the escape of Miner and
the possible collusion of the C.P.R. In the investigation into the escape
conducted by Inspector Dawson, Chief Constable (Chief of Police?)
McIntosh is quoted as saying, according the Minister of Justice, that Miner
told him Bullock (sp) said he (Miner) would be pardoned if he surrendered the
Australian bonds. McIntosh said he repeated Miner's statement to, Bullock
(sp) who replied that the only time he had seen Miner was when he visited the
penitentiary in the company of Terry, at a time when the warden was present.
The department had no further information regarding the bonds."
In the same issue and the same page of the paper, Chief of Police McIntosh,
when shown the details of the Commons debate above, denied absolutely that he
had made those statements to Inspector Dawson during the escape inquiry. Dawson had stated in his report that McIntosh had had Miner tell him that C.P.R. Detective
Bullock (sp) had promised him his freedom on condition he surrendered the
Australian bonds taken from the C.P.R. train at Mission in 1904. McIntosh
adamantly stated that the only time he had spoken to Miner was in the company
of Staff Sgt Wilson of the R.N.W.M.P. and Detective Waddell of Vancouver. He
and Waddell accompanied Wilson when he visited Miner to obtain a release from
Miner for an automatic pistol that had been taken from him during the capture
at Douglas Lake in 1906.
Vancouver Daily News Advertiser 19 Feb 09
On his visit to the Pen with Wilson, McIntosh ripped out a page from his
own notebook for Miner to sign an order freeing up the rifle (sic) to be
passed on to Wilson. During the meeting, McIntosh asked Miner whether he
hadn't seen him in the Lytton Hotel in New Westminster in the autumn before
his arrest (fall 1905). Miner answered that he had indeed been there
for two or three days when he had brought horses down from the Upper Country
In a subsequent issue (Daily Columbian 3Mar04) the paper clarified the
error. It had copied the information about McIntosh from the Vancouver Daily
News Advertiser, and it was in error. The actual person who had testified to Dawson about Miner's meeting with Bullick and the Australian bonds was B.C. Pen Instructor
McKenzie. The government attempted to criticize and embarrass Columbian
publisher and MP Taylor for the error, but it backfired on them when they
were accused of trying to dodge the "grave indictment against the
department of justice."
Attorney Alexander Duntroon MCINTYRE13,113,156,157,281,286,349,409,410,411,412,413,414
was born in 1856 in Ontario.286,414 In 1906 he was a defence
attorney in Kamloops, B.C.270,415 He is noted as being the
"Judge of Revision of Assessment Rolls" for the Provincial
Government in 1905, and by 1910 he is noted as being an "official
administrator" and a partner in the firm "Macintyre and Murphy,
(Alec D Macintyre and James Murphy" Barristers, Notaries Public.)"
He was accused of entering into negotiations with Miner at the B.C.
Penitentiary with regards to the fictitious C.P.R. bonds. He died on 24
Jan 1934 in Kamloops, B.C.414 Mcintyre is buried
alongside his wife Sarah, and another Mcintyre is noted on the same monument;
a Christine Mcintyre, 1852-1936. Sarah died at 350 St. Paul Street in Kamloops. (Plot G-6-1) Alec Mcintyre was the most controversial lawyer of his day in Kamloops. He acted as defense lawyer in many of the most high profile trials of the first
3 decades of the 20th Century. He was often faced with Frederick Fulton as Crown
Prosecutor, and indications are that though there was a mutual respect
between them, Fulton was often frustrated by the antics of Mcintyre.
On Mcintyre's official letterhead, he does not have a capital "I"
in his last name.
Mcintyre came to Kamloops in 1898 as an assistant to the lawyer Whittaker,
and opened his own office the next year. In 1900 he was appointed Yale County
Administrator, and was an ardent Liberal.
It was his dog that stole the famous ham from a butcher's store.
Mcintyre was married to Sarah Florence, who was also born in Ontario in 1857. She passed away in 1948 at the age of 93 years.
In the Kamloops Inland Sentinel of 1 Dec 1903, in an
advertisement of a lot for sale, it notes that Mcintyre is partners with an
Kamloops Standard, 14 Dec 1904.
Mcintyre is noted as a prospective candidate for the Liberal nomination,
and was in Ashcroft.
Kamloops Standard, 30 April 1904
Wentworth W. Wood, J. P., left for Nicola Lake yesterday afternoon to
hold the preliminary hearing in the "Smoky" Chisholm shooting case.
The man Brooks, who is charged with the shooting of the Similkameen "bad
man" gave himself up to the authorities and will face the music for his
action. A. D. Mcintyre, who has been retained by the prosecution (sic),
accompanied Mr. Wood.
Kamloops Standard, 7 May 1904.
A. D. Mcintyre returned on Wednesday night from Nicola Lake where he appeared for the defense in the shooting scrape that put "Smoky"
Chisholm out of business for a time. Chisholm has not yet been able to appear
against Brooks but the latter was nevertheless committed for trial by
Magistrate Gillie and Murray.
Kamloops Inland Sentinel, 10 May 1904, 1.
In Rex vs Theriaut and Rex vs Brooks, both adjourned for the next assizes. (fall?)
A. D. Mcintyre yesterday applied for and succeeded in securing the release of
his clients on bail. That of Brooks, the defendant in the Chisholm shooting
affair, was fixed at a moderate amount. His Lordship, commenting in strong
terms on the unsavoury character of Chisholm condemning the reprehensible
practice of men of his stamp carrying deadly weapons at all times and
(Miner was supposed to have attended the trial of one Smoky Chisholm
before the Ducks robbery in 1906. Did he get acquainted with the skills of
Mcintyre when attending Chisholm's trial? Was this what led to Mcintyre being
defense counsel for the three robbers?)
Kamloops Inland Sentinel, Friday 7 Oct 04, p1
(The Fall assizes started in Kamloops on Thursday October 6th. The
following is a verbatim transcript of the newspaper report of Friday 7th.)
"When Rex vs Brooks was called, Mr Macintyre (sp) for the
defence asked for an adjournment until Friday morning as his client, out on
bail, was under the doctor's care, but would be able to appear in the
morning. This was agreed to, his lordship fixing the trial for 10 o'clock in
(Reporting on the Friday morning commencement of the trial continues.)
"The case of Rex vs Brooks was then taken up, A.D. Macintyre (sp)
appearing for the defence, Hon. F.J. Fulton conducting the case for the
crown. The crown witnesses occupied all morning, the principal one being
William, otherwise known as "Smoky" Chisholm, the man who was shot
at the hands of Brooks. The defence does not attempt to deny the shooting but
apparently relies on the self-defence theory. The case is still in progress
on going to press, several witnesses for the defence being called. The whole
affair seems to have arisen out of a drunken brawl in which none of the participants
figure to any advantage."
"City and Country"
"Hugh Hunter, mining recorder at Granite Creek, is in town, a witness at
the assize in the Chisholm case."
(Hunter was undoubtedly residing in Princeton at this time, and was a
constable with the B.C. Provincial Police. He could still have been the
mining recorder for Granite Creek.)
""Judge" Murphy, of Princeton, is in town regaling his
friends with tales of the hills, and incidentally attending the assizes as a
(Who is Judge Murphy? Was he at the Chisholm-Brooks shooting at Mannings?)
Kamloops Standard, 8 Oct 1904, 1.
The Fall Assizes (Court of Assizes) in Kamloops opened under Mr. Justice
"In Rex vs. Brooks the accused was charged with wounding with intent
and after a lengthy hearing the case which arose from a drunken brawl fell
through and Brooks was dismissed."
(That same day, Hugh Hunter, mining recorder and constable from Princeton,
was in Kamloops. Was this just a coincidence, or was Hunter attending the
Brooks/Chisholm trial? The Sentinel's article makes it clear that Hunter was
attending the trial as a witness. He probably played a role in arresting
Brooks, and escorting him to Nicola after the shooting.)
(This was the Smoky Chisholm trial that Bill Miner as George Edwards was at
in Kamloops. )
Kamloops Inland Sentinel, Tuesday 11 Oct 1904, p1.
"The Jury Brings In a Verdict of Not Guilty"
"The assizes closed late on Friday night, the rendering of the verdict
in the case against Brooks ending the criminal docket. The witnesses for the
defence called in the afternoon included J. Thynne and others who were
originally witnesses for the crown in the preliminary hearing, a tack, Mr.
Macintyre, (sp) counsel for the defence, did not fail to emphasize. The main
points sought to be established by the defence were the general good
character of the ac cussed and the less reputable one borne by the crown's
chief witness, the injured man Chisholm."
"The addresses to the jury were not lengthy, but his Lordship took an
hour and ten minutes to carefully present an impartial summary of the case,
the inclination being slightly against the prisoner. After being out nearly
two hours the jury brought in a verdict of not guilty and Brooks was
(Miner attended the trial of Smoky Chisholm's shooter, Brooks, before the
Ducks robbery in 1906. Did he get acquainted with the skills of Mcintyre when
attending Chisholm's trial? Was this what led to Mcintyre being defense
counsel for the three robbers? Was Miner at Nicola during the preliminary
hearings? The Nicola paper must be checked.)
Nicola Herald, Tue. 5 Sept 05
Kamloops lawyers Alec Mcintyre and John D. Swanson, later to play
crucial roles in the trial of the three Ducks robbery bandits, advertised in
this issue of the Herald.
Mcintyre was well known in Nicola Lake, having defended the shootist Brooks
who shot Smoky Chisholm earlier in May 1904. Mcintyre successfully argued in
the Nicola Courthouse for Brooks' bail.
The Vancouver World of 30 May 06 stated, "The defense has been
marked by brilliant efforts on the part of lawyer Mcintyre and James Murphy,
M. P. P. Standing room only is the sign at the courthouse, many people being
unable to gain admittance."
1905 to 1908
7 June 1906, p1
Good Stiff Sentences
(Reiterates the normal reporting of the trial, but then adds some
“Mcintyre wanted the case postponed, the venue changed and
incidentally the earth. He gratuitously insulted Kamloops by contending that
a fair trial could not be procured there and his language towards mail clerk
McQuarrie made him a meritorious candidate for cowhide.”
In 15 October 1907, Inspector Douglas Stewart of the Penitentiary Service
in Ottawa wrote to Inspector Dawson in New Westminster. Dawson was still
continuing his escape inquiry, but now the small things were being addressed.
Stewart, and the Minister, were concerned about the meeting held between
Miner, Mcintyre, Bullick and an unknown early in 1907. Stewart writes of
Mcintyre, "It is not likely that Mcintyre will give any correct
information ..." It seems that Mcintyre's reputation for difficult
behaviour and perhaps unscrupulous behaviour had proceeded him. (A. Martin
Coll, Geo Edwards Corr File.)
In Nina Wooliams' "Cattle Ranch", she tells the story of the
feud between Douglas Lake Cattle Co.'s Greaves and Alfred Goodwin of the
Norfolk Ranch. In the subsequent trials of Goodwin which took place, McIntyre
served as the defense lawyer. Mcintyre managed to get Goodwin's trial moved
to the Spring Assizes in Vernon, where the jury was unable to come to an
agreement. Mr. Justice Irving held the case over until the fall assizes in Kamloops in October and Goodwin was released on bail. In October the Kamloops jury
returned a verdict of "Not Guilty." (???)
Goodwin's defense lawyer at the 1908 Fall Assizes in Kamloops was Alec
Mcintyre, and the judge was Paulinus Irving. Both had held the same positions
at Bill Miner's trial 2 years previously.
Indications formed from the following documentation infer that Goodwin had
been kept in custody, at least part of the time, since his arrest.
Bourke letter in the 3 Mar 1909 Daily Columbian states that Terry,
Bullock and Mcintyre met with Miner in the B.C. Pen prior to his escape.
(A. Martin Coll., Geo. Edwards Corr. file.)
On 6 May 1909, Warden Brown wrote to the Inspector of
Penitentiaries for instructions on a matter pertaining to a garnishee order
launched by lawyer Alex Mcintyre of Kamloops. Mcintyre claimed that $522.35
was still owed by Dunn and Colquhoun for services rendered at their defence
Dunn adamantly refused the claim, stating that he had transferred to Mcintyre
at the time of the trial in Kamloops, "mining property of value
considerably exceeding the amount of Mcintyre's charge for defending the
prisoners." Mcintyre at that time accepted that transfer of mining
properties as full settlement.
Colquhoun also stated that he understood that the lawyer's fees were fully
allowed for, and he refused to have what little money he did have, sent to
him by relatives to fix his teeth which were in very poor condition, be
confiscated to pay a lawyer's bill not considered appropriate nor warranted.
Further, the two prisoners stated that Mcintyre had visited them soon after
their incarceration to discuss an appeal, and no mention had been made of
monies owing at that time. Colquhoun recalled that the discussion at that
time was how to arrange to raise $300 for an appeal for a new trial. Both
prisoners refused to contribute to Mcintyre's garnishee order.
The file contains considerable more information on Mcintyre's attempt to get
more money out of the prisoners, as well as to tap into the funds that Miner
left behind, about $155.00. A summons to the County Court of New Westminster
dated April 30, details the amount he wants, totaling $500.00 plus costs.
It appears that the judgement was successful, as the Registrar of the County
Court ordered that all funds owing by the defendants to Mcintyre be attached
to satisfy the monies owing to Mcintyre. If the small amount of money Dunn
and Colquhoun had in their accounts, contributed to them for their daily
living requirements by relatives and friends, was confiscated by the court to
pay Mcintyre's probably scurrilous debt, it explains Shorty Dunn's adamant
disillusionment with the prison system, and his perception that prisons do
nothing but make a bigger crook out of prisoners, rather than rehabilitate
them. Mcintyre's garnishee of the meagre savings that Colquhoun and Dunn had
accumulated in prison must have been a devastating blow to their morale. It
no doubt hastened Colquhoun's inevitable death of tuberculosis.
New Westminster Columbian 17 Nov 1909
In this issue the paper states that Miner will soon lose the one hundred
fifty to two hundred dollars kept in the Dominion Treasury in his name to
Mcintyre of Kamloops for reimbursement of his defense fees. The article
states that Miner owed Mcintyre $500.00 in fees, and that he had never been
paid for his services.
New Westminster Columbian 8 Dec 1909
By 8 Dec 1909, the paper states that a judgement was awarded to W.
Norman Bole, K. C., on behalf of Mr Mcintyre, $528.85 including costs.
Miner's account consisted of one hundred and forty-nine dollars and ten
cents, plus some valuables and a gold watch. It is thought that Mcintyre did
obtain the funds from the three robbers, but that Miner's gold watch and
other valuables were kept in his name for some time into the future. That is,
at least until he died, when his relatives could have claimed them.
Ruth Balf writes, "A.D. Mcintyre, prominent Kamloops lawyer since
1898, died in 1934. The Sentinel wrote that 'his methods belonged to another
age, they were those of an opportunist, bent on a single purpose, the carrying
out of his wish in court' He was considered an able lawyer, but was not
popular with other members of his profession or the public."
In his Sentinel obituary of 26 Jan 1934, it notes that "None can
take the place in legal circles of Alex D. Mcintyre who died Wednesday night
after a residence here of 35 years. He bridged the old and the new pioneer
with modern times. His practice was a criminal one and he held a remarkable
number of successes due to the times."
The above seems to be a back-handed tribute to Mcintyre's law career. It
appears to assert that Mcintyre would not have achieved the success in
criminal court that he had if the law and the people's respect for it in the
early days had not been flawed in some way.
Fetterly writes that Mcintyre "achieved a reputation as an able
defence lawyer". Mcintyre had practised in Collingwood, Ontario and Toronto before coming to Kamloops.
The writer phoned and talked to Meryl Mathews, now 92, on 3 Sept 2004.
Meryl says she was very young when she knew Mcintyre, and only to see him. He
had an office in the old bank building where the CIBC is now. She remembered
him as "a grumpy old man", who didn't dress as befitted a lawyer.
He was rather scruffy and dirty. She remembered that he was known for taking
on controversial defense cases, and equated him to two present day Kamloops lawyers.
Albert (Bert) MCKAY416
was born on 16 Sep 1891 in Armstrong, B.C. He was presented with a .22 cal.
rifle by Bill Miner. Albert McKay was Nellie's son from a previous
marriage when she married Angus McKay. Albert McKay left behind written and
taped memories of his friendship with Bill Miner.
Miner, as George Edwards, sent a letter to Albert (Bert) McKay 4 Mar 1906.
Bert McKay was the young boy who Miner purchased the 22 rifle for. His
brothers were Elmer and Edgar, and mentioned in Miner's letter.
MacDonald Interview, May 2006.
Miner had been sent to prison, he supposedly sent Bert McKay another
letter. Unfortunately this has now been lost.
relationship to Bert McKay was explained to the writer. Angus McKay
eventually married the widowed Nellie Tilton. Angus had a brother named
Donald. Donald was Elvin's grandfather, and Angus was his great-uncle.
Bert McKay's mother, Nellie Tilton (Cyrus Tilton's sister) had been
previously married and Bert was the son from this marriage. Nellie eventually
married Angus McKay and had more children. Two of them, Elmer and Edgar, are
mentioned in Miner's letter.
Nellie Tilton was previously married to a Charles Walter Williams, who is
noted as marrying a Nellie Tilton in the Vernon District on 17 Jul 1890. Bert
was born on 16 Sep 1891.
Bert's birth index entry notes him as Albert Edgar Williams.
A death search prior to 1900 for Charles Walter Williams does not come up
with anything. Documentation notes that Nellie was a widow.
An email was sent to the Powell River Museum 31 Oct 2005 re Jack Montieth.
Received a reply giving his son's name and address.
Ph'd him 17Nov05. He says his father died at 99 in the year 2000. His father
and his friend, Don Keizer, spent considerable time researching Miner. They
video and audio taped people all over the southern part of the province.
Stayed in old hotels and visited the places Miner had been at. Interviewed 99
year old man in Surrey I was able to determine was Albert (Bert) McKay, who
Miner had bought a 22 rifle for. Bob says his grandfather was a jury member
at Miner's trial, but I can find no reference to a Montieth in either jury.
Besides the 22 rifle story, McKay told them about the $1000 bank draft Miner
tried to cash at the bank in Kamloops. The same incident is related by
detectives when interviewing McKay Sr.
Bob said after his father died, he turned the video-tapes and audio-tapes
over to his father's friend Don Keizer.
B.C. Archives Index:
Name: Albert Edgar Williams
Date:1891 9 16 (Yr/Mo/Day)
Microfilm #:B13804 (GSU # 2115625)
Parents: Angus MCKAY
Senior and Nellie Grant TILTON.
Angus MCKAY Senior15,43,417,418,419
Miner bought his son Bert a .22 rifle He was an old friend of Bill Miner from
some time previous to 1904
MacDonald Notes, May 2006.
information was told to Jean McLeod by her mother, Aunt Nellie (Tilton)
travelling up the Fraser Canyon (1902 or 1903. They were in Knob Hill -
Armstrong area 1903). (This must be a date error, as the McKays appear in
the Voter's List in Armstrong in 1898, and were probably there earlier than
that. PRG) At one point in the canyon the road was
impassable. They could go no further. The wagon was taken apart
and the Indians transported the wagon parts and supplies by large canoes
further up the canyon. I was told by Aunt Nellie the wagon was pulled
by oxen. Jean McLeod didn't remember ever hearing about the oxen.
Angus McKay Family Notes
From the 48th Annual Report of the Okanagan Historical Society.
"Fred and Alice James. Their Early Years on the Commonage and Rose
Hill", George James.
Angus McKay had a farm in Armstrong. Miner, as Edwards, helped them paper the
inside of their house. On a trip across the border to the States, Miner sent
back two .22 cal. rifles for Angus McKay's son Bert and his friend.
A few years later the McKay family moved to Rose Hill. Miner again turned up
at their place there. He played his fiddle at social gatherings and moved
about as just another drifter. He would ride the country roads with his
pockets stuffed with candy for the farm kids.
McKay, Angus, Armstrong, Rancher, YE (1898 Voter's List)
From "Bunch Grass to Barbed Wire". George James anecdote.
Miner, as George Edwards, was well known to the McKay family, who had
entertained him in their previous home in Armstrong. James also relates about
the two large parcels arriving from the US. In each was a .22 rifle for young
Bert McKay and his friend. (Information straight from the Bert McKay
tapes show there was not a second .22 purchased and sent by Miner.)
Miner apparently turned up at the McKay house in Rose Hill in about 1905.
Also, some mention is made of Miner preaching at a Rose Hill "cottage
church meeting", and that he played his violin/fiddle for the hymn
James goes on to relate that at another church service held in the school he
loaned his hat to take up the offering, and gave a young mother some rest by
dangling her young baby on her knee.
James goes on, "Rumour has it, ..., that a local lad was to be waiting
in a certain gully with horses for Miner and friends to make their escape but
he "chickened out", giving the lines to another fellow who took the
animals up the wrong gully."
Jean McLeod anecdote
Jean mentions her mother moving to Armstrong where later she would meet
Angus McLeod. Nellie was then a young widow with a small son Albert, and they
were later married in Kamloops. In 1904, after a number of moves and the
births of three children they settled in the Rose Hill area. The choice
grazing land they settled on had been part of William and John McLeod's
ranching spread, and the McLeods were very upset. However, she and her
brother Angus would go on to marry McLeods.
Jean mentions that her parents thought very well of Miner. She repeats that
Miner once helped her mother paper a room. The McKays attended Miner's trial
and just couldn't believe he was a train robber.
She also mentions the 22 rifle episode and then goes on to quote the Richmond
Review of 25 Mar 1983. In it her brother Bert, at the age of 92, gives an
interview about the incident, and that he also served as an advisor on the
film "The Grey Fox".
On 18 May 1906, C.P.R. Detective Bullick made a series of interviews
in the Kamloops area. He interviewed Angus McKay and McKay stated that on one
of Edwards' visits to Kamloops last summer, he accompanied McKay to church
one Sunday evening at a Mr. Cooper's house, which was about 4 miles from Kamloops. McKay saw that Edwards had a very large roll of bills, putting two dollars on
the collection plate. McKay told Bullick that he thought that this was about
the time that Edwards had cashed the one thousand dollar cheque that William
McKay went on to tell Bullick that Edwards was in Kamloops this February past
"with a $300 race horse and had lots of money." He was also in Kamloops a year ago last fall at the Smoky Chisholm trial, and about a year ago attended a
mining trial in Kamloops related to the Princeton area.
Bullick noted that according to his investigations, Edwards had been in Kamloops at least nine times; staying at the Colonial Hotel. This was confirmed by Bullick
interviewing A. LaPoint, the proprietor of the Colonial Hotel.
B.C. Archive Indexes:
Groom Name: Charles Walter Williams
Place Vernon District
Reg. Number: 1890-09-167017
Digital Image On-Line
Bride Name Nellie Tilton
Date: 1890 7 17 (Yr/Mo/Day)
Microfilm #:B11387 (GSU # 1984108)
Groom Name: Angus McKay
Place Vernon District
Reg. Number: 1895-09-167737
Digital Image On-Line
Bride Name Nellie Grant Tilton
Date: 1895 11 28 (Yr/Mo/Day)
Microfilm #:B11387 (GSU # 1984108)
Grant TILTON. Angus MCKAY Senior and Nellie Grant TILTON were
married on 28 Nov 1895 in Vernon, B.C. Children were: Albert (Bert) MCKAY, Angus MCKAY,
Angus MCKAY. Parents: Angus MCKAY Senior
and Nellie Grant TILTON.
Jean MCKAY. Parents: Angus MCKAY Senior
and Nellie Grant
was the proprietor of the Dominion Hotel in Chilliwack, B.C. in 1904 around
the time of the Mission robbery. He had Edwards staying in his Dominion Hotel
in the fall of 1904.
Chilliwak Progress, 14 Sept 1904
The Dominion Hotel, owned by D. McKenzie, had recently been renovated
throughout. It had been painted, papered and cleaned. Rates $1 to $1.50 per
On 23 May 1906, the Thiel detective interviewed Mr McKenzie, owner of
the Dominion Hotel in Chilliwak.
"McKenzie said he could show operative when he came here and his name on
the register. He then showed operative the register containing the
inscription: 'Geo. Edwards., Nov 27, 1904, room 18.' (Same source gives date
as 24 November 1904.) He said this man remained five weeks. McKenzie said
that when Edwards first came here he came from down the river. And that a day
before Edward's arrival a man named Budd came down from Hope, B.C. with some
horses he wanted to sell; that Edwards told Budd he had a friend down the
river to whom he could take the horses. McKenzie said also that Constable Lane was here from Mission Junction about that time, looking for Budd. McKenzie
picked out the picture of Geo. Edwards (the man now in jail in Kamloops) and said it was a picture of the man who came to his place on Nov. 27th, 1904.
He said that Edwards always carried two big guns (he did not know what kind
they were) and that he wore the same kind of hat that was shown on the
Mrs. McKenzie also picked out Edwards' photo from those operative showed her,
and showed him the man's name on the register. She said that Edwards carried
big guns, and that once when he showed her a large roll of money and a $1000
bill, she said to him: 'You hadn't ought to show your money. Someone will rob
you'. And he answered: 'Not while I have this (showing one of his guns).' He
posed as a mining man while stopping here. Mrs McKenzie said that Edwards
showed her daughter a picture of a dancing girl tattooed on his arm."
McKenzie later went on (presumably out of earshot of Mrs. McKenzie) to
describe when he and Edwards had sent to Vancouver for a case of liquor. Each
of them paid for half the case. When it came in they took it to Jeff
Harrison's barn where they and several others got drunk.
The next day, Edwards accused McKenzie of trying to find out who he was
during the previous day's drinking bout; where he was from and where he got
his money. Edwards threatened McKenzie and said that he had told the others
he would not pick a fight with McKenzie, but would use these, placing his
hands on his guns, and would shoot him and kill him on the spot.
Soon after Edwards left Chilliwak, Mr. McKenzie noted that he drove to Sumas City with three detectives and that there were detectives in and out of the hotel
several times during the period that Edwards was around.
Billy McKenzie, presumably a relative (son?) of the hotel proprietor,
mentioned that he had played cards with Edwards, and that Edwards would
always sit with his back to the wall. He related that he saw Edwards with two
$1000 bills, which he carried in the watch pocket of his trousers, and pinned
up with a safety pin.
In Aug 1907 Instructor George MCKENZIE421
was an instructor and guard with the B.C. penitentiary in New Westminster,
Collection of Anthony Martin, B.C. Penitentiary Records,
Escape Inquiry Files, 1907
On pages 46 to 49 of Dawson's Inquiry file, he narrates an interview he
held with Instructor McKenzie. This interview would prove to be very
controversial as it details the story Miner told him of the interview he had
with his defence lawyer McIntyre, Inspector Bullick of the C.P.R. and
probably, the outlaw Jake Terry. In Miner's story to McKenzie, (Feb 9, 1907)
Miner relates how he stole the bonds from the C.P.R. during the Mission
robbery, how he buried them as he couldn't determine how he should cash them,
and how the C.P.R. had offered to assist him in obtaining a pardon if he
would let them know the whereabouts of the bonds. He also tried to convince
McKenzie that he should take a few days off and Miner would tell him where
the bonds were hidden, and McKenzie could verify their existence.
McKenzie told Warden Whyte of Miner's bond story, and the warden said he knew
all about it, so McKenzie didn't pursue it further.
McKenzie's testimony rings true, as it quotes Miner discussing things that
were typical of the way Miner thought. However, the veracity of the story
itself lends one to believe that Miner was making the story up for a number
of reasons, not the least of which would be to put the C.P.R. in a bad light.
He also told McKenzie that he had robbed the C.P.R. of thirty to forty
thousand dollars in the Mission Junction haul, which flies against all the
The meeting with McIntyre and Bullick did take place, however Terry was not
in the room at the time. Neither was any prison official. This was to lead to
great consternation and rumour after Miner's escape.
In a March 1909 issue, the New Westminster Daily Columbian of
3Mar09 clarified an error. It had copied the information about (Chief
of Police?) McIntosh testifying to Bullick's meeting with Miner from the
Vancouver Daily News Advertiser, and it was in error. The actual person who
had testified to Dawson about Miner's meeting with Bullick and the Australian
bonds was B.C. Pen Instructor McKenzie. The government attempted to criticize
and embarrass Taylor for the error, but it backfired on them when they were
accused of trying to dodge the "grave indictment against the department
Collection of Anthony Martin, B.C. Penitentiary Records, Escape Inquiry
When Dawson held his inquiry into the escape, McKenzie testified that the
convict Campbell had told him that convict Thomas F. Young had told him that
he had held McNeil in conversation during the escape, and for a considerable
period prior to that. As a result of McKenzie's testimony, convict Young was
interviewed under oath.
McKenzie appears in the July 1914 group photo taken of the guards and
officers of the B.C. Pen.
Elsie MCKINNON. Elsie was the
first Matron of the Queen Victoria Cottage Hospital in Revelstoke in 1902.
She had to leave this job when she and C.P.R. Superintendent Thomas
Kilpatrick married in 1903.
Superintendent Thomas D KILPATRICK. Divisional Superintendent Thomas
D KILPATRICK and Elsie MCKINNON were married on 22 Apr 1903 in Revelstoke,